Random Thought/Potential Unpopular Opinion

"Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru" (matt-powershiftmedia) 09/09/2018 at 23:43 • Filed to: Kia stinger, kia, used car

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Here’s my rambling Sunday night thought, and it may garner me some hate.

First and foremost the Kia Stinger GT2 in this grey color (similar to Chrysler Destroyer Grey/Focus RS Stealth Grey/Audi Nardo you get the idea) is absolutely stunning. Being that at the end of the day it IS a KIA it’ll likely depreciate as fast as a Walmart Android phone and this brings up an interesting dilemma doesn’t it?

You see, in a year or two when a Stinger GT2 drops into the low 30s or high 20s, there will be an interesting market niche that is otherwise kind of untapped. A car with serious luxury options with impressive performance and factory warranty remaining is an interesting proposition. I’ve driven a GT2 (it was red and beautiful) and I found it to be an incredible car and an incredible all-arounder if you will.

Handling, luxury, a beautiful interior with exterior looks to match all powered by a twin turbo V6 and potentially for less than a new Accord. If this does happen, I believe I’ll have found my next car and you’ll be seeing me write about it from here on out.

Am I the only one that sees this as a massive win?

WilliamsSW > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:05

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No, you’re not. I don’t love the grey, but I’ve driven the car, and liked it.

For me, it was a touch numb , and the lack of headroom in the back was a deal killer. Wish it had a manual, but it’s a fun car to drive.

LongbowMkII > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:05

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Only if they sell new. Otherwise your used market is going to be particularly dry. 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > LongbowMkII 09/10/2018 at 00:07

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There’s a few rolling around my area. I don’t know sales numbers but they seem to be out and about. 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > WilliamsSW 09/10/2018 at 00:07

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I definitely didn’t sit in the back but I could imagine head room would be more limited. Very good point there indeed. It wasn’t razor sharp but I found it to be very fun to drive. 

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:11

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there will be an interesting market niche that is otherwise kind of untapped

*cough cough*

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=carGurusHomePageModel&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d138&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=&zip=67202&distance=50000&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=false&filtersModified=true#listing=215117601

InFierority Complex > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:12

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I wonder if the first owners are going to hold onto them longer because they have so much warranty left. Could be a bit until they hit the used market in any numbers.

WilliamsSW > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:13

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Most cars are fairly numb these days. Between most consumers not giving a shit and electric power steering, that’s just the way it is.

Head room may or may not matter depending on what you need. I have a 2 year old who we still have to buckle in. If he was 8 I wouldn’t care. Ended up with a used E Class ( TTV8 FTW) but I like the GT2 and at a bargain price in 2- 3 years I think you’d do well. 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 09/10/2018 at 00:13

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Ooooh touché and valid point. Haven’t driven the new CTS so I can’t directly compare them. Any experience?

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > InFierority Complex 09/10/2018 at 00:13

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This is a truly good point too. Only time will tell. I’ll have my eyes out let’s put it that way! 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > WilliamsSW 09/10/2018 at 00:14

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Mine is 6 years old and she really enjoys cool cars. She would approve of this potentially hilarious plot twist. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:15

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7 years of warranty and a german-like complex engine?

Nah man, we keepin these shits until they fall to the ground and kia pays us another one

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 09/10/2018 at 00:16

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On the rare occasion that I visit a new car showroom, I always sit in the backseat first. Some of them are pretty awful, especially those dreadful little crossover SUV things.

For the Stinger, I don’t have any interest in the GT/GT2. I want to drive the base model and see what it’ll do. Four cylinders, 255 HP and 260 torques at a mere 1400 rpm. But probably also a bunch of that eco crap where the engine stops at the stop lights and such and $300 key fobs and all that other modern car mumbo jumbo and they’ve sure made cars undesirable and they FOR SURE won’t be around in 30 years like my ‘89 Camry is.

Did that morph into a rant? So be it. At least now, you know how I feel. And the tires on the GT2 are prob ably $250-300 apiece, and fancy rims begging to rub a curb somewhere...

HammerheadFistpunch > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:18

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That gray is terrible looking. My wife’ s uncle has one and it’ s the worst color for this car I can think of.

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > Spanfeller is a twat 09/10/2018 at 00:20

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So you’re telling me I’m gonna have to buy one new?

*starts thinking about how much my friends would disown me and doesn’t give a shit*

CompactLuxuryFan > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:20

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Hadn’t really thought about it! I was actually browsing CPO SQ5s yesterday and lamenting how well they hold their value. Then I went to look at X3s with the 35i engine and was pleasantly surprised at how much cheaper than the Audi they are. I’ll probably be looking to replace my A4 Avant  within a couple of years and I’m mostly looking at those two but an AWD Stinger would more than do the trick!

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > HammerheadFistpunch 09/10/2018 at 00:21

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Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > CompactLuxuryFan 09/10/2018 at 00:22

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Was looking at SQ5s as well myself and then I remembered I want to buy a house next year so I’m not in a Condo for ten years haha. Audi’s just hold value. It’s what they do. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:25

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This one

Its like they’ve somehow figured out how to make Battleship grey less interesting.  

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > HammerheadFistpunch 09/10/2018 at 00:25

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Gotta disagree with you in that regard. That’s fantastic!

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 09/10/2018 at 00:27

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German-like complexity engineered and built in a nation still involved in a civil war where they haven’t figured out how to build cell phones that don’t explode. Sign me up!

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:30

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W ith all they praise these have been getting and how niche they are I’m not so sure they will depreciate as quickly as a typical Kia.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 09/10/2018 at 00:35

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Hey, the hellcat engine is built in Mexico.... if so many people trust the hemi, I’ll trust the lambda 

Spanfeller is a twat > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:36

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I mean, they’re giving many incentives to move them off the lots, so maybe? 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > Spanfeller is a twat 09/10/2018 at 00:37

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I’m going to look into it Friday 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > DipodomysDeserti 09/10/2018 at 00:37

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If you know about me I love to lomive dangerously. I did daily drive a Biturbo for like 2 years as my SOLE vehicle lol. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:41

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Wait, really? A biturbo?

Hell, then the stinger isn’t a challenge for you

Spanfeller is a twat > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:41

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Though Kia USA aparently is a pain in the ass

wafflesnfalafel > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 00:46

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I’d be awfully hesitant with a used one... but that grey is super nice.  I wish you could get that color on the standard GT...

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 09/10/2018 at 00:55

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Mexicans are much more adept at building things than Koreans. I should know, I live in Arizona.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 09/10/2018 at 00:58

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Well, that’s why my mechanics are Mexican

The problem is solved no matter the angle

CompactLuxuryFan > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 01:00

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Only the B8   S4 and SQ5, as far as I can tell!

DipodomysDeserti > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 01:04

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I DD’d a ‘66 GMC and a ‘63 Corvair in Phoenix for a few years (what is AC? ). I currently own a 100k+ mile turbo BMW and cruise around a valley of about 5 million on a 45 year-old motorcycle. I love to live a dangerous automotive life, but my experience with POS Kias in college taught me that these fuckers can’t make vehicles. 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > Spanfeller is a twat 09/10/2018 at 01:05

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Yep wrote a whole nice piece about the entire experience :) 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > DipodomysDeserti 09/10/2018 at 01:05

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Now you’ve got me nervous lol

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 09/10/2018 at 01:06

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I see a Honda swapped Kia in your future, ese.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 09/10/2018 at 01:19

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LS swap vato

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 01:39

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I don’t know, a car with less rear headroom than my IS kind of defeats the purpose of a car with four doors. That said, I would strongly consider it before a used Accord /6/Camry.

I wonder how the rear space compares to the A5 Sportback...

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > InFierority Complex 09/10/2018 at 01:41

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I wonder ho w many new- car buyers these days actually hang on to their cars? Seems to be a lot of people just constantly doing the icky shuffle.

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/10/2018 at 01:45

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Rear headroom isn’t a huge hot button for me. I mean, my kid is really my only usual passenger and I still have my beloved Mirage and it’s not going anywhere until it dies of old age. 

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/10/2018 at 01:46

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Yeah, I just had a VW Atlas for a 4 day rental. I need to post an Oppo review. It won’t go well for VW.

Having engine torque peak at 1400 RPM is good. Even great. But it depends on lag and transmission settings...

WilliamsSW > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 01:52

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I drove a shitl oad of cars before buying a 4 year old Merc. It was the torque that seduced me. Love it after 4 months but good luck finding an E550 with a GOOD warranty. 

AestheticsInMotion > HammerheadFistpunch 09/10/2018 at 02:05

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That looks fantastic 

gettingoldercarguy > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 05:39

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Perfectly good perfect car. If people want to pull up that “Kia” drivel, that just reeks so much of the authority fallacy that I’d only want to know those people to never know them anymore.

I wouldn’t be envious, I’d be incredibly happy for you with that car. Please write about it.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > HammerheadFistpunch 09/10/2018 at 06:39

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I really love that color!

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > DipodomysDeserti 09/10/2018 at 06:41

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I’ve had not one problem on my 2009 Hyundai Accent hatch other than maintenance items in the 90,000kms I’ve owned the now-145,000km car.

Seems like they’ve done a decent enough job of making it to me!

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/10/2018 at 07:19

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all that other modern car mumbo jumbo and they’ve sure made cars undesirable and they FOR SURE won’t be around in 30 years like my ‘89 Camry is.

This!

Wacko > HammerheadFistpunch 09/10/2018 at 07:22

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Primer grey.

BigBlock440 > HammerheadFistpunch 09/10/2018 at 07:53

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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 09/10/2018 at 07:58

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This thing is on my list. Hooefully CUE has been improved enough today because I might buy one used   like 5 years from now.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 08:05

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I like that gray but wish it was little darker like Dodge destroyer gray.

Panthera is my favorite though, outside of that SEMA special orange one off

shows how it appears in different lighting.

Gib this:

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 08:20

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I plan on buying my next car in 3-5 years and right now I’m torn between getting an SS and a Stinger. Still leaning towards SS due to the manual, but a Stinger with a warranty is tempting .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 09/10/2018 at 09:22

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The Stinger four is a turbo? I guess most of the strong four-pots are.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 09/10/2018 at 09:25

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Throwaway cars now. Like smart phones with tires.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/10/2018 at 10:05

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But, but new cars are so much better!

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 10:47

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thought you might like this

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 09/10/2018 at 11:38

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People buy ‘em.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/10/2018 at 11:57

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Never given “people” a lot of credit for being smart........

Colts211844 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 09/10/2018 at 12:45

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I have a stinger and at 6'3" 220lbs I can sit in the back comfortably. I guarantee that Audi, Lexus, Mercedes, or bmw weren’t as lucky to have their first sports sedan be as quality, luxurious, and speedy as kia in their first a ttempt. Also, the maintenance and upkeep of the stinger compared to the other luxury brands is less than half. So the total cost of the stinger is a win all the way around for Kia .

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 09/10/2018 at 13:58

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Yes, that’s the only way you’ll get all that torque at such low RPM from a 4 (unless it’s a diesel, I guess).

And it seems like just about everything is a turbo these days, too...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 09/10/2018 at 15:55

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Give the people what they want, right? And they’ll want whatever they’re told to want.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/10/2018 at 18:38

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If they sold it with a manual here, it would be the next 4 door executive drift car, a la Soarer.

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > gettingoldercarguy 09/11/2018 at 08:40

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If I end up with one I fully intend to write muuuch with it. I agree with all points you made!

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/11/2018 at 08:40

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I fully agree. It is a damn shame they didn’t offer a manual. The auto unit isn’t bad though atleast. 

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 09/11/2018 at 08:41

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I swear I thought I was the only one cross shopping the two. One is a muscle type car with gobs of torque and aftermarket, one offers fairly good power with handling to boot without the massively established aftermarket. Either to me is a W

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 09/11/2018 at 08:42

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I’d seen that and always love their take on vehicles! Thanks for the share!

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru 09/11/2018 at 08:52

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Well...this is probably the place to find people cross shopping those two lol. I need to get a drive in both once I get closer to buying, but from what I can tell I wouldn’t be disappointed with either. Still unsure if getting the Stinger with RWD or AWD would be better,  w hat was the Stinger that you drove?

Powershiftmedia-ResidentDSMGuru > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 09/11/2018 at 09:42

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It was a RWD GT2 and honestly I found it to be a very good handling and fun car. Steering did have some vagueness similar to the F30 but slightly better. Brakes and handling where great and the car felt very well put together.